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Originally Posted by danmpem  Quote:
Originally Posted by Davidius 
But seriously, how much clearer could it be??  I don't see how the doctrine of election could possibly be more clearly spelled out. This is why I sometimes wonder whether "Arminians" who look this passage square in the face and deny God's sovereign power can actually be Christians, not because they deny Calvinism, but because they're basically rejecting the authority of scripture by denying the ridiculously clear and obvious meaning of the passage. They hate the reality of God's nature and refuse to acknowledge it. (I'm just throwing that out there as a thought I've had.) | After discussion my Calvinism and a good friend's open theism, I showed him Romans 9, and he exclaimed "Dan, if you're right about that, then I don't think this is a God I think I want to know!" | Exactly. Isn't that what it comes down to? I still don't want to make any categorical statements, but I don't see how a person can be regenerate who hates God in some of his most basic, foundational attributes and blatantly rejects and/or twists the plainest of scriptures like Romans 9. In other words, not a person who has never really looked at Romans 9 (in my older churches I never heard a sermon preached on it and when I first discovered it I was wondering how I could've missed it!), and who might be willing to consider it along with all the other clear evidence, but someone who outright rejects it when it's so clear.
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Davidius
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Member: First Reformed Presbyterian Church of Durham (RPCNA) - Durham, NC
Student: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, German Literature and Classics
This may explain the old adage about Baptists being Methodists with shoes, and Presbyterians being Baptists who can read. To round out the adage, Lutherans might qualify as Presbyterians who drink to excess, and Episcopalians as Lutherans who know when to say when. - D.G. Hart
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