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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie  Quote:
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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie
So that is what you think his logic is leading to then?
| I think his logic is inconsistent. That is what I was leading to. He can break one law, disobeying leaders and hiding Jews, to, knowingly deceiving a Nazi soldier is breaking the ninth commandment. But he will justify breaking the first, but can't for the second. | That pretty much sums it up. According to this logic its okay to kill people as long as we are not breaking the ninth commandment. Never mind the fact that assisting in a murder is a breach of the sixth commandment, and so lying to stop a murder (in these circumstances) cannot be a breach of the ninth commandment at all. |
There are clear exceptions to Romans 13. It is acceptable to disobey a sinful law, but not acceptable to lie about it. See Acts 4:13-22. When forbidden to preach the name of Jesus by the Sanhedrin, Peter and John directly refused and continued preaching His name anyway. Furthermore, in Acts 5:29 Peter says plainly "We ought to obey God rather than men." Also see Daniel 6:4-10. When Daniel (and all the Jews) were ordered not to pray, Daniel knelt in a public place in direct defiance of this law. Clear, unquestioned examples, Biblically condoned, of intentionally disobeying sinful laws (exceptions to Romans 13). So, hiding and aiding Jews would NOT be a sin. Point #1 of Ian's post is simply not true. Hiding the Jews is not a sin.
Daniel, you're putting words into my mouth. I never said it was acceptable to break the 6th commandment. But telling the truth about hiding Jews is NOT breaking the 6th commandment, especially if you've taken every measure you can to help the Jews in the first place. Besides, there's no way to know what will happen to the Jews. You are assuming they will die, but perhaps they won't. Perhaps God would protect them somehow. Perhaps He intends for them to die. We can't know. All we can do is obey God's clear, unconditional commandment.
The bottom line to this discussion is as follows: Are there any times when lying is acceptable? If you say yes, then please provide a Biblical precedent. If no, then lying is always a sin. I say again, do you have any Scripture where the God specifically encourages, allows, or commends lying for any reason? I understand your point, but in the absence of directions from God's Word your position is indefensible.