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Old 03-29-2008, 08:53 AM
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I'm a little confused as to what the disagreement could be with what Piper wrote.

Me too? I dont see any problems in what Piper said.
The problem is that Piper puts forth Christ as one who satisfied his covenantal obligations as mediator BY FAITH - and not by a perfect, flawless obedience. If Christ satisfied those obligations BY FAITH, as Piper says he did, then how is there any hope for us, and how does our salvation hinge on Christ? He argues in the first quotation that Christ satisfied the Law by faith, and not by the perfection of His obedience. This is a common FV position, and it's surprising to hear it coming from Piper - it also raises a severe problem with salvation by faith. If it was Christ's faith that satisfied what God required of Him, and not his works - if Christ's faith satisfied the Law, then 1) would a few sins here or there have been immaterial for Christ? (obviously not) and 2) Do WE satisfy the Law through our faith? (if so, then Christ is unnecessary) and 3) Given the answers to 1) and 2), how is there any hope for us, since our faith is imperfect?
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