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Originally Posted by ChristianTrader
Mason,
Just keep in mind that there is no one in Church history that disagrees with the YEC time frame of 6-10k years for the age of the universe.
CT
| Perhaps, but quite a few believed that the days were not 24 hour days, including John Lightfoot, a member of the Westminster Assembly, who believed the first day was 36 hours. | My point is that if one wants to argue for "wiggle room", one needs to understand where the room ends.
Also the question of "what is the point" comes up. Unless you drop the 6-10k year agreement, you are going to be stuck with all the problems of YEC creationism. The scientists/secularists/etc are going to make just as much fun of you as regular died in the wool 6/24 YECers.
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CT, I appreciate your post, but you make a very unfair assumption that the reason I am an OE Creationist is to avoid "being made fun of" by secularists and scientists. The equivalent is for me to say the only reason you are a YECer is to win points with your fellow church members and fellow members of this forum. Neither accusation is worthy, fair, or justified.
Having doubled majored in biology and biochemistry in college, I learned enough science and sat through enough evolutionary bilge to know it takes greater faith to believe there isn't a God than to believe there is One. Furthermore, to extrapolate valid micro-evolutionary principles to explain the origin of mankind is atrocious "science" (not to mention many, many other fatal flaws to evolutionary/atheistic thinking). So no, I'm not trying to win any favor with those types or avoid their ridicule.
I have come to my positions based first and foremost on the authority of the Bible, followed by reasonable historical and scientific understanding, so long as it fits with what the Bible says. I respect the YEC view, and realize and it may be 100% correct, and the OEC view may be completely wrong. But it is only fair to say the opposite could also very well be true. That's not being relativistic: one of us is right, the other is wrong (or we may both be right to some degree), but we cannot conclusively make that determination until it is revealed to us by God in Eternity.
Again, I don't understand the fierce subscription to the 24-hr day belief. It makes no difference to our faith or our understanding of God and His Word. You can be a YECer, I can be an OECer, and we can still be in 100% theological agreement on every other issue.