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Originally posted by openairboy
Quote: Originally posted by Scott Bushey
"Belief" is the 5 points...........
| Is that in Book II of the Institutes?
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Men must come to certain conclusions to attain 'belief'. What would that be?
| It revolves more around the confession of who Jesus is: "Who do you say that I am?" "Confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead." And 1 Co. 15 lays out what is of first importance, which includes his death. So believing in total depravity is not necessary for salvation, unconditional election is not necessary for salvation, limited atonement is not necessary for salvation, irresistable grace is not necessary, nor is perseverance of the saints.
openairboy
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I disagree that man does not need to know his condition and his need for a savior. He does need to know his predicament and that he is totally depraved.
This guy knew his need and condition of total depravity:
Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I suggest you look at the literal greek interpretation of Rom 10. The confession made there represents that which men have already taken hold of. Men that have been regenerated will assuredly confess with their mouths, that Jesus is Lord. Confession does not save, it is a result of being saved.
Denial of unconditional election is bordering on another gospel; Arminianism or semi Pelagianism. Do not men need to know that God saves, not men. Are Roman Catholics orthodox? Does their gospel save?
I would have to think about 'limited atonement'.........
All I am saying is that men need to have a certain level of certain components to be converted. Faith comes by hearing. This does not mean that men are not conciously processing the information and storing it. When I was saved, it was probably based upon mountains of spiritual information that I had heard throughout my life.
Mat 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
understandeth!