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tdowns · #14 (**permalink**) 11-03-2004, 02:49 PM

but if it is faith Given by God that saves, and not intellectual understanding, then how do we judge who fully "understands the doctrines of grace." It seems someone could at the depths of their thinking understand, "No way I get to heaven without Christ, my entire being is tainted with sin...I could not have accepted him without him grabbing me...etc" but this is at a deep level that they may not be able to fully articulate, but they cast their trust on Christ through faith alone,
----but do to the amazing amount of confusing doctrines floating around, ------and the lack of exposure to sound doctrines --
---say or 'think' some stupid things.....
Like me for example.
Now in my case, God continued the good work he started and over the years took me from Calvary Chapels, to Evangelical churches, (enter White Horse inn and RC Sproul) to reading through RC catechism, to a somewhat reformed church, and maybe soon to a fully functioning Reformed church. But I know I was saved when I first heard the gospel, because everything you and others here and elswhere have written --including the catechisms--in regards to how we are saved rang like the bells of heaven inside me when I read them, so I believe I knew them at some level thanks to God renewing my mind, but I may not have had a clear intellectual understanding of them all along the way.

I guess I wonder if it does not become a 'work' to some of the more informed and studied folks out there when discussing those that are less well versed in the doctrines of grace.

Praise God for this website and the references found here so we can find more elect and let the bells of heaven ring out for them, for, in my opinion, there are many elect confused in the churches of America today.