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Originally Posted by Contra_Mundum  Aaron,
You will get two different answers here--from the Reformed side, and the Reformed Baptist side.
The Ref. Bapt. (if I may speak for some of them) will often say that Abraham actually has two covenants--one a gracious covenant, made only with him, taken up again in the New Covenant (Eternal Cov), the other a wholly secular set of promises tied to the promised land and the genetic stock of Messiah. They argue for all-and-nothing: that Esau is only a party to a set of secular promises, of which circumcision is a covenant-sign.
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Well that is not exactly correct. I hope someday you would read Nehemiah Coxe.
The Eternal Covenant doesn't just jump from Abraham to the New Covenant. It is also the Covenant of Grace which is made up for the Elect. It is present in other Covenants also. Only the Elect are members of the Covenant of Grace. And yes I do know some Presby's who do believe this also.
I don't understand your all-and-nothing position that you seem to be describing. I really do urge you to pick up Covenant Theology from Adam to Christ so you can see what a framer of the 2nd LBCF did believe. I am not so sure you do understand the Reformed Baptist (Particular Baptist) position Bruce. We hold more to an understanding of John Owen's understanding of the Covenants of Grace and Works. Read the reviews to the link I give below.
Read the book is a good challenging read. Also if any of you are interested read the reviews.