Originally Posted by fellside

Let me clarify. I know he's not really a Calvinist, and he won't be persuaded simply by Calvinist doctrine. I meant that he says he holds that are men are totally depraved, that God elected us all, that Jesus died for us all, that we cannot resist his call and that we will all persevere.

So take L, and make it for everybody, and that's what he's saying.

Caddy, your argument seems to be a good one against Arminians, but all you say to the universalist argument is, "Obviously not all men are saved." But that's exactly what the discussion is about. He doesn't think that's obvious.