Okay, doesn't make sense to me that they would excommunicate IF they are willing to be under accountability, okay, so they are asked to step down from leadership positions, does that mean they feel the NEED to be in leadership positions, merely because they have been leaders in the past?

one would think it would certainly bring a growth in Christ and an exercise in humilty to step down and remain in a non-leadership position.

However, if they are by my understanding of what your saying, imposing their OWN excommunication and removal from the PCA Church body, what does that tell others in the body if they are faced with Church discipline? That it is a joke and means absolutely nothing, because all you have to do is run to another denomation where you can become an elder or teacher there?? And what does it tell their own children when they make decisions and have need to discipline them? What if their own children fall into false beliefs and decide to leave for say the JW or LDS, what would make them believe they had the right to address them in that and expect they should listen or accept their discipline if need be?

And if they are truly examining themselves, then why walk away? Why not stay and face whatever consequences saying by action and word..."I have and am looking at my heart before God, and in that, there are consequences I must face, even if it means I am removed from leadership." That I believe would speak VOLUMES to not only those in the local body, but the extended body, and even the outside world that is watching.

The running away kind of reminds me of the RCC, where these men have been found molesting children, and they merely send them to another church body allowing them to molest other children, never holding them accountable before God and in there case men, as well for their crimes.

It is truly heart breaking that these men appear to think more of themselves and their "positions" of authority that they do not take the body into consideration and the impact their actions will have for Christ, in either direction, be it to dishonor His name or to bring it Glory.