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Originally Posted by armourbearer Finally, I have no difficulty with the meaning of "katargein" as provided. Whether it means "delivered," "released," or "discharged" amounts to the same thing. The issue is, what is the believer released from? And it is clear from the context he is released from his obligations to the law as a covenant bond, which is what marriage is. |
Exactly, and that is all this is about. No covenant, no rule. If the woman is released from the cov bond of the first marriage, then how does it still remain in any aspect for her second marraige. Does she use the first marraige for anything in her life once remarried? | Ok, now do you see why I kept asking the adultery question? Since that commandment was under the old covenant, which no longer rules over us per your above statement, then, to be logically consistent, the adultery commandment no longer rules over us. | Which is why I thanked Moral Neccessity for his most useful post #75. For he distinguishes between the Mosaic Law as God's moral principles expressed externally and applied to a particular nation in covenant with him, and, on the other hand, the character of God as the source of those principles.
My own comment is this (and I think I am following Paul's argument in Rom. 5-8,) is that since the elect are united with Christ as an ontological reality (Rom. 5:12-6:10, certain things are true of us. We are no longer in Adam but in Christ, and we are no longer living under the reign and rule of sin and death, but under the reign and rule of grace, just as Christ is no longer living under the reign of sin and death (Rom. 6:9). But since the Law came in so that sin increased (Rom. 5:20), once we are out of that realm of sin, we no longer relate to the Law as such. But being united with Christ (who is in union with God) in the realm of grace (Rom. 6:5,8-10) does not make us free from walking in those aspects of God's character that are expressed in what is called the moral law. For, at the lowest, the Christian is one who not only intellectually knows the concept that God is love, but is one who goes beyond an intellectual knowledge of the concept "God is love" to experiencing the love of God as a present reality. Jesus pointed out that if we love him we will obey his commands and abide in his love, "just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love" (John 15:10). Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivanhoe Unless, maybe Paul does have some role for the law in the life of the believer, to guide him perhaps. THat is why he speaks so positively of the law in 1 Timothy. | I would say that Paul's role for the moral law in the life of the believer is that of written statement of God's character teaching us what he likes and does not like, so that we may know what things please him so that we may do them and please him and continue to abide in his love.
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In Christ's love and service
Mr. Tim Cunningham, Dip. CS (Regent College)
Member, First Baptist Church
Vancouver, BC
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"The Reformation was a time when men went blind, staggering drunk because they had discovered, in the dusty basement of late medievalism, a whole cellar of 1500-year-old, 200 proof grace—a bottle after bottle of pure distillate of Scripture, one sip of which would convince anyone that God saves us single-handedly. The word of the gospel—after all these centuries of trying to lift yourself into heaven by worrying about the perfection of your own bootstraps—suddenly turned out to be a flat announcement that the saved were home-free before they started. Grace was to be drunk neat: no water, no ice, and certainly no ginger ale." – Robert Farrar Capon
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