01-31-2008, 02:33 PM
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| There are two different forms of election.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie  Quote:
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Originally Posted by Stephen
It is almost like he tries to confuse you  | Robbins seems to make the same accusation. | IME of discussing matters with them FVers engage in so-much double-talk that the unsuspecting would be easily fooled. The most obvious example I can think of is their view of election. On the one hand they claim to believe in unconditional election, yet, on the other, they claim elect sinners - who received saving grace at baptism - can apostasize? If this is true then it means one's election is dependent upon one's "covenantal faithfulness", and thus cannot be unconditional. | That's how the FV explains it. Well, except they don't actually explain, but by putting different statements together one can figure it out.
God elects some to the covenant - i.e. the Church - and a subset of those will be "elect unto eternal life". When someone who was elect to the covenant falls away, that's apostasy.
To be fair to them, it's certainly true that the LORD sovereignly chooses who will be in a position to hear the gospel, or be born into a Christian family, etc. so it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to say those who are placed thusly are "elect" to the external administration of the covenant.
Unfortunately, since the FV doesn't have any truck with the whole "external administration of the covenant" thing, instead insisting everyone "in the covenant" is by-jingo-and-by-golly IN the covenant as much as it's possible to be, it wrecks not only the traditional doctrine of the perseverance of the saints, but also plays wiley-beguiled with limited atonement and irresistible grace, and nibbles on the toes of total depravity.
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