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Hilasmos · #7 (**permalink**) 01-30-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by moral necessity

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Originally Posted by Hilasmos

Charles,

Thanks for the comments. This is exactly what I was inquiring into. It didn't seem to fit with "regeneration," as we use it at times. Another interesting aspect, however, is that I have heard countless times Eph. 2:5 being used as a "regeneration" text. The wording is virtually identical to Col 2:13 (except "having forgiven" is supplanted with "by grace you have been saved"), and thus does that mean Eph. 2:5 isn't talking about our "regeneration" as well? That seems to get a little more sticky as Paul was talking about our former "nature" and our bondage to sinful desires (v.1-3), and the way in which we were saved from this was "being made alive with Christ."

I will go read Gill on Eph. 2 and see what he thinks.

Blessings

Will,

I would tend to view Eph. 2:5 in the same light as Col. 2:13, for he's talking about being made alive with Christ, and being raised up and seated with him. I don't think it's really any more sticky, for Eph. 2:1 is in essence the very same statemtent as Col. 2:13a. Eph. 2:2-3 just elaborates more on that introductory sentence than Colossians does.

Blessings!

So your contending that the "being made alive" in Eph 2 does not mean being made alive out of v.2-3 in time? I am having difficulty with this because it appears that Paul was contending that they were "dead" while they were walking in the flesh, which could have been after Christ already died and rose (which means they would have already been made alive with Him). Not sure if that is clear or not, probably not.