I'm not trying to be contrary, but when you say you want to ignore the creeds are you not then in essence saying that we should ignore church history on this particular subject? How can we do that? If we cannot look back through the annals of church history and find out what the church fathers had to say about this then we are doing ourselves a great disservice. Certainly they, like Rev. Buchanan just did, used biblical texts to form their thoughts on this matter.

I guess what I'm saying is it sounds like you are looking for people to just pull out proof texts on the subject so they can be shot down by modern criticism. But if our church fathers believed the fall of Satan was true and biblical (x) amount of years ago, then who are we to argue?[/QUOTE]



I think the reasoning there is that there are MANY who believe in no creed but the Bible so to convince them you have to have verses in hand from the actual Bible. I am just guessing ofcourse because I wasn't the original poster but I remember hearing NO CREED BUT THE BIBLE constantly growing up as a Southern Baptist.

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Richard H. King
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