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Originally Posted by Stephen I am not completely familiar with Sovereign Grace Ministries (other than they have some great music) but I have a greater concern for the charismatic element in Reformed denominations like the PCA. There are those in PCA circles that believe in the continuation of the revelatory gifts after the apostolic age. Some believe in canonical and non-canonical revelation. This is the position that has been held by men like Jack Deere and Wayne Grudem. I find this position to be strange and problematic for Reformed churches. Any thoughts or discussion on this matter? | Wayne Grudem (and Sovereign Grace Ministries) do not believe that the spiritual gift of prophesy (in the New Testament and today) is canonical. It's a gift for encouragement, but it is not authoritative. I don't know anything about Deere. Grudem's book on the gift of prophesy should help anybody seeking to understand folks like Grudem, Piper, Mahaney (and Sovereign Grace Ministries). |
Wayne Grudem and the others are wrong.His writing encourages error. When you say; When anyone starts saying-
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It's a gift for encouragement, but it is not authoritative.
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If it is not authoritative, it is not from God.
Grudem writes some nonsense in His systematic theology where he shows revelation coming to a persons mind, but when the person speaks it in his own words, it is no longer the direct word of God?
on pages 1056-1057 he says;
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prophecy occurs when a revelation from God is reported in the prophets own[merely human] words
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? earler on page 1056 he makes other weak references,like from the "epistle of barnabas"- this is "generally what the Holy Spirit is saying to us" ?/
He also states that if someone 'really thinks" the Holy Spirit is putting something on their mind,there is nothing wrong with saying;
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it seems to me that the Lord is saying, or I think the Lord is putting this on my mind
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This is rubbish. He injects his own philosophy into his teaching.
Most of these quasi-charasmatics are trying to hold open or hold out for the supposed prayer tongue.[ a secret prayer language that satan cannot understand! which in reality is just the rhyming jibberish sounds that are not any actual language at all]
My guess is that this rhyming noise is a substitute for assurance of salvation that would come from lawful obedience to scriptural teaching,and instead by this subjective experience[ rhyming noises] the person could "feel" the "annointing".
I have not worked through all of his writing, so I cannot comment on the complete work he has offered. It seems as if he has taken from other systematic theologies,modified the language, offered different sides of the issues, then add his own twist. Sort of like the [ bible answerman,Hank H.]