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Originally Posted by TB No technology would develop only if you oversimplify things. You see, I don't only take consequences into account (or, sometimes God tells us what they are and so an omniscient being told us what they are and we can trust him). To give a cost/benefit answer, as your only answer, suffers from the problems I've listed. |
And, as I've said, and as you continue to ignore, my cost v benefit analysis includes trust in God's guidance, through Word and Spirit - what He
does tell us and what He
doesn't tell us. What do you have to offer?
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"All things work tegether for good" is simplistic again. Why not bring back American slavery? Because it's immoral? Oh, so we need to look at the morality of our actions? That's what I'm doing here. So you've begged the question, again.
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The only one oversimplifying is you - you continue to try and run the discussion off-course by critiquing vs. offering an alternative to my rationale. It is easy to drum up problems, not so easy to give solutions. Your method is weak.
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I know we all have the "gut feeling" that our use of cars isn't immoral. And, it probably isn't. But, when asked for a moral justification for that, we must admit that you've flat out not given good reasons for that "gut feeling." The numbers you gave were always shown to be based on short sighted and sloppy calculations, you frequently assumed the morality of the action up for discussion, and you didn't include other necessary features required for making moral decisions, you just appealed to teleological ethics.
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lol - My earlier presupposition that automobiles have a higher reward than risk was based on a reasonable assumption that I then backed up with factual evidence based on a presupposition of the equal value of human life. At least my "short sighted and sloppy" calculations refer to real numbers and not to some figmented "hedon" that I pulled from some nether region of my body!
You appeal to "something" that disallows for anyone to make
any decision based on
anything because we can't possibly know all the consequences caused by our decision. Now, I will and have admitted to our non-omniscience, but I have plenty of support to decide/choose based on my faith and reason. What are you appealing to?
Are you afraid to swat a fly because of all the potential ramifications? All I hear is what I hear from my atheistic opponents:
What if? What if? What if?
Let's discuss
what is.
