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Originally Posted by CarolinaCalvinist Also, there are Pentecostal denominations. "Charismatic" can refer to all kinds of independent and non-denominational churches that believe in the continuation of all spiritual gifts. | Yet more confusion: while Pentecostals are all in Pentecostal denominations, charismatics can be found in a great many other denominations that are not predominantly known for being charismatic. These denoms range from Roman Catholic through Anglican/Episcopalian, through Baptist and I suspect even Methodist churches down south of 49 |
Well said! If you want to parse the differences historically, you might want to use the "three wave" typology popularized a few years back to describe the three waves of the Spirit's movement during the 20th century.
1. First Wave: Pentecostalism began (at least as a popular movement) out of the "Azuza St. Revival" in the first decade of the last century. It generally was associated with holiness groups that came out of a typically Weslyan background. Then, it solidified into several Pentecostal "denominations" such as the Assemblies of God which were generally Word-centered and at least somewhat fundamentalist in orientation.
2. Seond Wave: Charismatics were those who discovered the "charismatic gifts" (beginning in the late 1950s and 1960s) although they hailed from a diversity of backgrounds includiung mainline denominations such as Episcopal, UMC, PCUSA, etc. They were generally NOT fundamentalist and not nearly as sectarian as AG folks. Charismatics were generally sociologically more upscale, better educated, and happy to speak in tongues before enjoying a glass of wine or a cocktail. Characteristically, they were more experience centered, ecumenical, and expressive.
3. Third Wave: Signs and Wonders brought a recovery of the idea that the "Word preached in the power of the Holy Spirit" should be accompanied by signs of power to accredit the message. Associated with Church Growth pioneer C. Peter Wagner (one of my old seminary profs) and the late John Wimber, it finds expression in groups such as the Vineyard. It became popularized in the late 1970s and 1980s at Fuller Seminary in a class on "Signs and Wonders" where Rev. Wimber would demonstrate leg lengthening of legs, healing migrane headaches and the like. Ironically, Wimber died several years ago of a malignant cancer.
By definition, a Pentecostal belongs to one of several Pentecostal denominations. A Charismatic practices charismatic gifts in any number of denominational, non-denominational, or inter-denominational settings. While Pentecostals are nearly always Arminians, one could be a charismatic Roman Catholic, Calvinist, dispensationalist or Arminian. Pentecostal denotes a particular doctrinal approach and set of core beliefs; charismatic describes an experience. What makes Fee so interesting is that he claims to be an Assemblies of God Pentecostal who disputes some of the classic beliefs of the AG.