Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

The 5-point (or, true) Calvinist doesn't run accross the "same inconsistencies." (And, I fear you didn't quite grasp what I said was inconsistent on the 4-point schema. The inconsistency had to do with the argument *against* the 5-pointer regarding the "genuine offer." Please re-read the argument and then comment again.) Anyhow, the atonement being "sufficient for all" says *nothing* about an atonement *actually* being made for subjects. Now, if you don't think the atonemrnt was actually *made for* all persons, then you hold to the L. If not, the double jeopardy argument applies. Why do some who had the atonement made for them *end up* in hell? This argument doesn't apply to the 5-pointer because the atonement was made *for them* yet is was *sufficient* for them *in that* there would have been *no more* suffering required *if* they had, *contrary to fact,* been included among the elect.

So, the superfluous and double jeopardy arguments work if you assume that the atonement was made *for them* (i.e., the non-elect). You've neither answered, nor grasped, the weight of the problem; or so it appears.