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Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil  Anyway, I made my point. I'm not sure you've grasped it yet. The Baptist has tried to prove that *here and now* every one in the NC is elect because *everything* in Heb. 8 is here and now. I proved that this is not the case. |
Paul, I like you. You make me think!
Now, as to this particular argument: Obviously you have debated with people I have not, so I am not going to argue over whether anyone makes the point that *everythin* in Hebrews 8 (Jeremiah 31) is here and now. But, your disproving that point does not make the Baptist belief fall. Everything in Heb. 8/Jer. 31 does NOT have to be true in order to see the New Covenant members as being regenerate. Just one has to be true. If any of them are true here and now in any way, then our point stands.