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toddpedlar · #10 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reformed Baptist

I don't think Gill is off at all. Nor do I think he is saying men are superior. Could you explain why you came to that conclusion from his comments? I'd like to see how you read that into what he wrote. I did not get that impression.

I'd be glad to share it... but please don't assume it's being "read into" what Gill wrote. His writing was rather plain.

Gill writes:

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but then women are not to teach in the church; for that is an act of power and authority, and supposes the persons that teach to be of a superior degree, and in a superior office, and to have superior abilities to those who are taught by them:

He writes this as though it is pulled from thin air. His objection, at least here, is based on a supposition that persons who teach "have superior abilities to those who are taught by them."

ReformedBaptist wrote:

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The position of authority between men and women is based on creation and that the woman was decieved, not that man. This never changes.

The primary reason that men have the authority in the church is indeed based in creation and is NOT due to the fact that the woman was deceived. Adam was in authority over Eve BEFORE the Fall, not BECAUSE of the Fall. That interpretation is taken by liberal egalitarians who view the authority structure in the home as something that was imposed because of Eve's sin... but that is patently false and misses the point entirely. Paul does insert the comment about Eve being deceived, indeed... but a) I don't believe it's his primary argument here, b) it is CERTAINLY not his only argument, and c) the fact still remains that Adam's authority over Eve was not imposed by God because of Eve's sin - it was pre-existing.

Todd