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Originally Posted by Hungus  By saying that faith is irrational, he means, in the context of our conversation, that one cannot by rational ascent become a christian. The Holy spirit must regenerate the individual and then they receive the gift of faith logically, but there is no logical ascent to the faith (being as it is a gift and not earned). Regeneration requires the work of the Holy spirit and so one cannot reason in a regenerated state. |
Brother, We are given faith through the Holy Spirit. We logically cannot come to God. By our very nature we are like the natural man who does not understand the thigns of God. Only when regenerated can we then understand. As faith being a gift, we are given it, we do not come to it on our own.
It seems like you are trying to make him understand something when in fact as a natural man he will always argue his point until changed by the Holy Spirit if chosen by God.