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Originally Posted by Dieter Schneider  Such reasoning - however well-intended - contradicts John 3:8. |
Dieter,
You're a treasure trove of un-scriptural one-liners. If you wish to deal with a subject substantively then do so. You still have not shown how the faithfulness of a father
contradicts John 3:8. John 3:8 does not say that God does not use the means of parents, it simply states that God regenerates. You might as well throw out the whole of Proverbs if you believe the idea above contradicts John 3:8. God does not contradict himself. The article says nothing about the precise means or why it is the case but it is an observation that is consistent with the Biblical themes of nurture throughout the Scripture that are re-iterated in the New Testament.
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Originally Posted by Dieter Schneider Well - I am in agreement with Scripture - of course. But one can prove anything from statistics.
If we can predict how God will gather in His elect then we know more than He has revealed.
We must be faithful – and God will grant the increase – in his own time, cf. 1.Cor.15:58 and 3:6.
I would venture to suggest that our lack of holiness is probably a great hindrance to the work of the Holy Spirit. |
So, which is it? The idea of faithful fathers contradicts John 3:8 or it does not?