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Originally Posted by smhbbag  ^^^^Trevor - I do not believe that Baptists who embrace the bulk of Covenant Theology have to accept any more discontinuity than Paedo's do. |
We shall see about this.
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Paedo's have continuity where I don't, and I have continuity where Paedo's don't. Different discontinuities for Baptists, and in any debate these are all that are discussed, but they are just that, different - not more. And no, not trying to play politician-like word games here.
Don't have much time, but here's an example of baptist continuity, where paedo's have discontinuity: the Priesthood.
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We both think there is a new priesthood, so that in itself is not going to get you anywhere.
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In the Old, blood sacrifice was made on behalf of ALL members of the Old Covenant by the priests. No one in the Old Covenant would ever be without some sort of offering on his behalf by his priest. This is detailed in many places, most prominently in Leviticus 16.
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Agreement. The catch is going to be the reason why ALL of the members of the old covenant are not in heaven.
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Credo's have continuity on this point - with their view that all New Covenant members (being elect) have atonement and sacrifice made on their behalf by their High Priest, Christ Jesus, just like members of the Old Covenant did with their priests.
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Paedos have just as much continuity. If they did not then they would not be able to talk about covenant judgements and graphing in and taking out of branches of the tree. Also Paedos obviously believe in covenantal judgment. That makes little sense without mediation for the non elect.
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Paedos, on the other hand, have non-elect members of the New Covenant who, by virtue of Christ's sure and limited atonement, never have any offering on their behalf by Christ, the High Priest of their Covenant. He did not make sacrifice for every member of His New Covenant, whereas OT priests, who supposedly foreshadow his work, did.
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Paedos believe in the mediation of wrath due to the counting of the blood of the covenant as an unholy thing, etc. This wrath being something different than the regular wrath for unbelievers. You will disagree with the passages produced to support this view but at least give Paedos the right to hold a wrong position
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You can have continuity on the work and role of the Priesthood, or you can have continuity on the membership of the covenant. You can't have both.
*Sorry to derail the thread, if I have done so.
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You can have both.
We must remember that in the OT there was nothing holding back God from deciding before the foundations of the earth that Everyone in Israel is/will be elect and will be regenerated in due time and is going to heaven.
Or put another way, God could have decided that everyone who will have the blood of bulls and goats etc spilled for them, I will regenerated and they will be justified etc. and will be in heaven.
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