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Old 05-23-2006, 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by paul manata
Jeff,

First, when you say "according to you" please quote me.
Paul,

Give me a break. I am trying to draw out logical conclusions of your thought. If you want me to do so in a general way like you (i.e. "likem [sic] the Clarkians think once their sin nature is thrown off then they'll be gods, intellectually") then I can ablige, but I think that people can follow the thought. :P

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Originally posted by paul manata
Second, it does not fully have to do with sin, for I argued that even in heaven we mayu not be able to understand everything. Why think when we're glorified then we'll be like God???? In the sense of his incommunicable attributes (i.e., omniscient).
We will not be omniscient, but we will be perfectly logical! Is this ok in your theology?

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Third, some paradoxes can and have been resolved.
Agreed. But this is where Clarkians and VT's agree, so obviously the discussion is not about these "paradoxes." I can qualify each and every time I mention "paradox" that I mean paradoxes that ONLY God can resolve, but I fear my sentences would run on quite to far, but if this is what you prefer, I can attempt to do so.

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Fourth, it's a problem of information, not "logic or scripture doing its job."
Ok. Then give me an example of this kind of paradox. All of the examples you have given my (quote provided upon request) you have admitted to resolving yourself, so those won't work. What paradox are you talking about here?

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Originally posted by paul manata
Fifth, so your response caused more fear. I mean, it looks likem the Clarkians think once their sin nature is thrown off then they'll be gods, intellectually.

We'll always be created, finite, images of God... always. With all the problems this brings.

Sixth, I know it's "unacceptable" to you. Anything that doesn't allow man cognitive rest, or a god-like ability to know and resolve every mystery, is "unacceptable."

Troubling I say, troubling
Yeah, I know. I'm a rationalist, and you're an irrationalist. It's been said before.
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