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Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
Quote: Originally posted by Civbert
I know these were comments in brief, but I'll assume they present the CVT position well. So consider my comments as the criticisms of CVT in brief.
Quote: Originally posted by R. Scott Clark
1) To start the broken record again, the centerpiece of CVT's theology, as with all the orthodox was the Creator/creature distinction. Many of his critics do not accept this distinction or apply it inconsistently. The analogue to that was the traditional distinction between archetypal and ectypal theology. We can never know what God knows the way he knows it. ... | The last clause I underline because it's the one that Clark agreed with. But with it in place, what is said to follow, doesn't. For the "way" God knows is eternally - the mode of God's knowledge is different. But content can be the same between God and man - ergo the Scriptures. If man can not know God's thoughts, than the Scriptures are pointless. We can not know them, or what we think we know, is never what God knows. I think that in fact, the Scriptures are God's thoughts, and when we know them, we know the same thoughts God knows. When we know "Jesus died for sin", that is the same thought God knows, even if the mode of knowing is different.
| So then, are God's thoughts successive and tied to expression through language? Are all of God's thoughts contained in Scripture?
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My point is I agree we don't know God's thoughts "the
way" He knows them. His thoughts are NOT successive. I said: "for the "way" God knows is eternally". And no, not all of God's thoughts are contained in Scripture. But the thought's that are contained in Scripture do not contradict each other.
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Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
Do we understand Scripture perfectly or through the lens of Sin?
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We
misunderstand Scripture because of the noetic effects of sin. Sin does not distort Scripture, it distorts our understanding of it. And those statements we believe in error, because of the misunderstanding due to sin, are NOT Scripture. Those things we do correctly understand from Scripture, are God's thoughts. They are the same propositional truths for God as they are for man, when man understands them correctly.