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pastorway · #10 (**permalink**) 05-12-2004, 04:52 PM

I know you locked this one Scott, but I must reply to Melissa's last post.

Melissa - go back to the very first post I started this thread with and READ it this time. Please. Read it carefully. Read it a few times if you have to.

I said and showed very clearly from Scripture that Jesus was offered wine TWICE (2 times) on the cross.

The first, when He was first being crucified (Matt 27:34; Mark 15:23), was wine mixed with gall (myrrh) - a narcotic, a drugged wine used to dull pain so that criminals being crucified would last longer and endure more agony while dying. This is not only proven in the text, but it also verified by history.

Jesus REFUSED this wine mixed with pain killer.

Then He was offered wine a SECOND time (John 19:30), just moments before He died, when He said, "I thirst." They brought Him wine, nothing added, just wine. And He "received" it and then died. The Greek word for received means literally that He "took it in." He took the wine from them. He drank it. He took it in, He received it to quench His thirst.

Now, I have already shown in my first post that He did not take any Nazarite vow. And if He did, then we have a major problem. That problem is John 19:30. A Nazarite would have been required to perform specific sacrifices at the Temple in order to be freed from the vow, but Jesus did no such thing, and in fact, if He was a Nazarite, He BROKE the vow by taking wine on the cross before He died.

Here is EXACTLY why I am taking the time to refute this error.

Listen closely.

IF Jesus had taken a Nazarite vow, and He obviously broke it just before He died, then He died in VAIN and cannot save anyone.

How can I say such a thing?

IF Jesus broke a vow to God on the cross then just before He died HE WOULD HAVE SINNED and then would be disqualified to serve as a spotless lamb. He would have been an inadequate sacrifice for our sins. JESUS would have died a SINNER. He would have died for His own sin, instead of for the sins of His people.

So let me say it one more time for emphasis.

Jesus NEVER took a Nazarite vow. And to say He did makes Him a sinner instead of a Savior.

Melissa, you need to repent of this error that you have embraced in your theology. It is an error that has serious ramifications. It is an error that impugns the sinlessness of Christ. It is an error that adds to the Scripture. It is an error that attacks the very sacrifice of Christ on the cross as an atonement for our sin.

Phillip