[quote:5d15616361][i:5d15616361]Originally posted by Studiob[/i:5d15616361]
Re: Woe to the Campingites! He is a heretic! If one holds to his views on the Church one has departed from both of the requirements of posting on this board.
Please define what you define as a "heretic"? I have seen a lot of name-calling and those holding on to their church creeds and confessions but have seen no scripture. Also, there is a distinction between the church age, and the 'end of the church age.' Also, please tell me what happened to the Synagogues after Christ arose?
Also, I don't have time to answer everyone's questions but I must state the fact from Scripture that God only saves through His Word. Unfortunately, many reformers hold to the misunderstanding that God saves through their preaching. We read in Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." God only saves by His WORD - the scriptures.....
If I'm a heretic for holding to the truth that the church age is over then do what you have to do to exempt me from posting on this board.
May God be true and everyman a liar.
Mark 13:14, "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains."
2Thess 2:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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Since you imply that one Scripture is sufficient, here it is:
[quote:5d15616361]"And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18)[/quote:5d15616361]
Camping makes God a liar so that he can increase his own following. The irony is that while denigrating Christ's body, this minister of Satan spends most of his time on air promoting his own "organization." Funny how when God decided to chuck the Church, he "just happened" to ordain Family Radio and Mr. Camping to carry out the Kingdom of God on earth.
This is pure unadulterate filth. Mr. Camping needs to repent or he will hear the voice of judgment on that Day. One cannot love Christ and hate His bride.
As for the preaching of the Word, you obviously have not read the Scriptures that say:
Instead of just citing Romans 10:14, you would do much better to quote iot in context, which makes a shambles of your point, by speaking of the Word in the context of preaching:
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But what does it say? "[b:5d15616361]The word is near you[/b:5d15616361], in your mouth and in your heart" ([b:5d15616361]that is, the word of faith which we preach[/b:5d15616361]): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved." 14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? [b:5d15616361]And how shall they hear without a preacher?[/b:5d15616361] 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who [b:5d15616361]preach the gospel[/b:5d15616361] of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!" 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.[/quote:5d15616361]
And notice the normative action of the Church in Acts and elsewhere:
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Mark 2:2 Immediately many gathered together, so that there was no longer room to receive them, not even near the door. And He [b:5d15616361]preached the word[/b:5d15616361] to them.
Mark 16:20 And they went out and [b:5d15616361]preached[/b:5d15616361] everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the [b:5d15616361]word[/b:5d15616361] through the accompanying signs. Amen.
Acts 8:4 Therefore those who were scattered went everywhere [b:5d15616361]preaching the word[/b:5d15616361].
Acts 8:25 So when they had testified and [b:5d15616361]preached the word[/b:5d15616361] of the Lord, they returned to Jerusalem, preaching the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.
Acts 10:36-37 "The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ -- He is Lord of all -- "that word you know, which was proclaimed throughout all Judea, and began from Galilee after the baptism which John preached:
Acts 11:19 Now those who were scattered after the persecution that arose over Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus, and Antioch, [b:5d15616361]preaching the word[/b:5d15616361] to no one but the Jews only.
Acts 13:5 And when they arrived in Salamis, they [b:5d15616361]preached the word[/b:5d15616361] of God in the synagogues of the Jews. They also had John as their assistant.
Acts 14:25 Now when they had [b:5d15616361]preached the word[/b:5d15616361] in Perga, they went down to Attalia.
Acts 15:35-36 Paul and Barnabas also remained in Antioch, teaching and [b:5d15616361]preaching the word[/b:5d15616361] of the Lord, with many others also. Then after some days Paul said to Barnabas, "Let us now go back and visit our brethren in every city where we have [b:5d15616361]preached the word[/b:5d15616361] of the Lord, and see how they are doing."
Acts 16:6 Now when they had gone through Phrygia and the region of Galatia, they were forbidden by the Holy Spirit to [b:5d15616361]preach the word[/b:5d15616361] in Asia.
Acts 17:13 But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that [b:5d15616361]the word of God was preached[/b:5d15616361] by Paul at Berea, they came there also and stirred up the crowds.
1 Corinthians 15:2 by which also [b:5d15616361]you are saved[/b:5d15616361], if you hold fast that [b:5d15616361]word which I preached[/b:5d15616361] to you -- unless you believed in vain.
2 Timothy 4:2 [b:5d15616361]Preach the word![/b:5d15616361] Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
Titus 1:3 but has in due time [b:5d15616361]manifested His word through preaching[/b:5d15616361], which was committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior;
Hebrews 4:2 For indeed the [b:5d15616361]gospel was preached[/b:5d15616361] to us as well as to them; but [b:5d15616361]the word[/b:5d15616361] which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the LORD endures forever." [b:5d15616361]Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.[/b:5d15616361]
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So it is a bit surprising that you can try and say that preaching is not a means God uses to draw His people to Himself. But then, you never wanted to actually look at the Scriptures - you just wanted to throw out your false doctrine.
Your dangerous false doctrine will not be tolerated here.