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Old 10-05-2005, 12:20 PM
Saiph Saiph is offline.
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I am not going to argue this point, so let the flaming begin . . .
I already know what most of you and most of the reformers/puritans have to say about it.

Have fun. There is plenty enough on the internet to support my view, if someone is questioning it.
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